barbara and Susan write
(check back as this illuminating exchange grows over the course of the day)
UPDATED: 10:00 pm CDT. Booyah!
barbara says: Hullo, Susan and CLBers. Looks as though spring has finally made its way to MN. For this week, anyway. Booyah! The birdies are ecstatic and so are we. We ate dinner on the deck last night for the first time in 2008. A nice ending to a long day. Showed up at the oncologist’s office at 8:00 a.m. and didn’t get out of there until after 4:00. Crikey.
Found myself tilting southeast this morning. Oh, yeah. The primaries. Hey, everyone know Indiana and North Carolina are having primaries today? Just thought I’d mention it, in case. Predictions, Ms. Susan?
Susan says: Wait, we go from ecstatic to this? To the primaries? This is like going from May in MN back to March. But, as long as you asked, it ain't pretty. (You know the day is off to a bad start when you're agreeing with David Brooks. Read on, Macduff.
So anyway, I forecast this: Hillary, by becoming a daughter of the downtrodden who knows how hard it is to fill a gas tank, will win in Indiana, by a lot. Many reasons for that, beyond the pandering, including fear of the unknown. It's said in child protection cases that children almost always prefer to stay with their own mom, no matter how derelict or abusive she is, because she's the only mom they know.
So it's something like that. They'll go into into the booth and they'll look at both names and they don't really know this new guy, and he's with that wacky reverend and he thinks he's so smart, but he's really an elitist, but they've known Hillary like forever, in so many forms, and things were pretty darn good under Clinton and who wants change, really, and blammy, another vote for Billary.
Besides, Indiana is a very god-fearin' red blood sort of place, (hey, I was born there) and nobody named Hussein's gonna be my commander-in-chief. Never mind that it was his Christian minister who brought him down.
Barack will win in NC, but not by as much as he should, leaving an opening for Bill Clinton to remind us about how well Jesse Jackson also did there.
Hillary will emerge with big momentum tonight. What that gets us, I have no idea, other than another month of political hell.
And it's starting to rain.
barbara says: Grey, rainy, temp dropping like Newton's apple. Poop.
So, uh, Susan, do I infer that you think Mrs. Clinton doesn't genuinely feel the pain of the little people? It's a kind of Saul on the road to Damascus thingie, see? Yet another of her amazing conversion experiences. Shotgun in one hand, shot glass in the other, blood-shot eyes and shooting off her mouth.
So about the primary thingie? Fearless prognosticator says Mrs. Clinton by 8% in Indiana (what’re you Hoosiers thinking?) and Obama by 7% in NC. Meanwhile, Americans keep on a-losing. Did I mention that Mrs. Clinton scares the bejeebers out of me? Parents, it’s 3:00 in the morning. Who do you want tucking your child in after a nightmare? Just askin’.
susan says: Gutsy, Ms. Barb, putting in the numbers. I think it's going to be -- worse, at least in Indiana. Double digits. As for Ms. Clinton, I don't find her scary. I don't even think she'd be that bad at answering the phone at 3 a.m. because know what? She doesn't mean anything she says. She won't really obliterate Iran. She is saying whatever she needs to say to beat back a man who she feels stole her shot at the top, even dismissing her chief drum-beater, Paul Krugman, as a pin-head bean counter. On most of her actual policies, she's not that bad. It's that she's morphed into a monster as this campaign goes on.
It's true that Barack has wilted, who wouldn't, but he hasn't morphed through 18 personae. (Okay, personas, sorry for the elitie thing.) And yet, there's this little part of me that says she'd probably wilt McCain too, if I'm willing to turn my back on all of this and just let it play out in its hideous dispiriting way. President Clinton?? President McCain?? Try 'em both out. And for added fun, check out John McErmine's views on judicial appointments.
barbara says: Just sent this summary to others:
(1) Mrs. Clinton scares me.
(2) Mrs. Clinton is ruthless. (Have you seen Ruth? No, you have not.)
(3) Mrs. Clinton is going to figure out how to win this thing by fair means or foul. Has exhausted all fair means.
(4) Mr. Obama is reminding me WAY too much of John Kerry lately.
(5) Mr. Obama needs not to become testosteronic but simply decisive and leaderly.
(6) Mrs. Clinton scares me. A lot.
BREAKING!! 8:40 p.m.
Susan is wrong! Not the first time. Just tuned in to Obama's speech in NC, and the pundits are oohing over how much different this speech was, that his confidence is back, and yet . . . it's not over. And Barack is doing far better in Indiana than I called it. "This was a super delegate speech." says Wolf/Candy. And now, waiting for Hillary to -- say she won? Stay tuned.
barbara says: Just finished a very late dinner. Trying to decide whether I dare take a look at the primary numbers. Oh, sure, why not. Hang on a sec.................
....Wow! With 85% reporting in IN, Obama trails by a scant 4%. Win, lose or draw, this is very bad news for Hillary. And in NC with 78% reporting, Obama leads by 14%. All good news for Obama.
Haven't heard the speech yet, but will look for it.
The baaaad news is that this will push Hillary to the wall and I believe she will come out swinging for the proverbial fence (hardly an original insight, but one deeply believed).
Did I mention that Hillary scares me?
susan says: Grrrr. I'm watching Hillary now, and -- not liking her. And seems to me that Bill's big red mug behind her does her no favors. Doesn't she want to have him keep his distance? All of CNN is sitting there saying that she's one step closer to being out, and then she steps up and says, "tonight was the tie-breaker, and guess what, I won?"
And if she mentions the f-ing gas tank one more time . . . Grrrrr. Okay, she just did, never mind. If she manages to wrangle this one away from Obama by some Florida/Michigan swap out, and I'm faced with voting for her or John McCain come November . . . . Well, know what, I'll do it. Maybe it's like clapping for Tinkerbell and we'll get the real Hillary back once she wins, and I do believe that there is a real Hillary still in there. Somewhere.
barbara says: If . . . IF . . . Obama succeeds in defeating the Clinton machine (her victorious May 6 results notwithstanding) and becomes the endorsed Dem candidate for POTUS, my first advice to him would be, "Watch your back." Because I have little doubt that what has been going on the past months will go away any time soon. Hell hath no fury like Billary scorned. She absolutely cannot be a team player. It is ALL about Hillary ALL the time. She has taken the feminist mantle and sewed it into combat fatigues. Grrr back atcha, girl. She is one scary critter.